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Sunday, August 9, 2009

Tempers Flare at Des Moines Health Care Town Hall



Learfield News captured this image of a well-paid scary conservative foot soldier of the Insurance Industry

Here are some more videos of people at Town Halls. This one was in Des Moines, Iowa and Senator Tom Harkin was the Democrat shill for Obama Care, otherwise known as HR 3200.

(Download it here or read it at Open Congress) I urge you to read it. It seems all the Democrat legislators are doing is dragging out the Administrative talking points and repeating them.

This first video is after the meeting begins. A man challenges what Senator Harkin has said, and immediately, a lefty lays hands on the man (that legally constitutes battery) and tries to shut him up. He seems surprised that other people in the audience are defending the other man's right to speak. Another lefty comes right up to the man, and sticks his fingers in the face of the man opposing Harkin and tells him to "go home". That's right. The lefty said for a man expressing his right to speak in a public meeting is told to go home.

As if that weren't enough...the Senator then says that the man was sent to the meeting to disrupt it by a national organization. The man is indignant. I would be, too. Senator Tom Harkin has been partaking of the Kool-Aid that has been dispensed by the Obama Administration and spread far and wide by the Legacy Media.

Here is the video snippet:






The only thing that kept that man from getting dragged out of that meeting was the presence of many others who agreed with him, or were at least willing to stand up for him and his Constitutional Rights. If it had been dark, I daresay that man would have suffered far more for expressing himself at the hands of Liberal Thugs.


Here are several videos of the event in sequential order, starting with one before the event and continuing through the event:


Before the Start





Part One






Part Two





Part Three




I will add more videos as they become available. You get the idea. Senator Tom Harkin opposes capitalism, as evidenced by his answer to the question in the beginning of the third video.

Audio of the entire meeting is available at
Radio Iowa, and a good write up is avialable at the Radio Iowa Blog, and I have included a portion of it below that relays the question that was asked at the beginning of the third video:

"I will take some questions. Boy, it is really hot. I just apologize for that," Harkin said, just before he called upon a woman kneeling on the floor, holding a video camera in her hand.

"Senator, I was wondering why the push for a public plan, a single-payor plan, when obviously the public seems very much against it?" Heather Stancel of Earlham said.

Some in the crowd started shouting Stancel down. Harkin asked his people in the crowd to pipe down.

"Will you let her ask her question, please?" Harkin said. "I beg of you. Let's be generous and kind to one another. She has a legitimate question and I will try to answer it as best I can. Please."

"You are correct. There are a lot of people scared out there, however, it the bone of contention seems the public plan. Reform is great. Reform is excellent, however, common sense reform is important," Stancel said, concluding with this: "I think a lot of people agree that capitalism is the best way to regulate insurance companies."

Lots of applause and whistling from the crowd, the Harkin began: "Well, I'd only respond by saying capitalism, whatever that means in this broad context..."

The crowd erupted. "You don't know what it means?" one man shouted. Another yelled: "Are you socialist/communist?"

Harkin continued: "If it is the best way to regulate, then why do we spend more than any other country in the world and why are we 37th in the world in our health status? You know, that's what's happening right now. Insurance companies are overcharging. The pharmaceutical companies are overcharging."





What happened at the Town Hall in Iowa is exactly what Lefties are afraid of. They are afraid that regular Americans will get a chance to ask questions and challenge their elected representatives on a bill that will be voted upon soon. They are afraid because we are reading the bill, and know what is in it. They are afraid that we won't keep quiet as they try to force us to become a Socialist Society.

This is why they are trying to say that we are paid shills, or try to misdirect the discussion by manufacturing rage over those who exercise their right to observe the Second Amendment.

They are trying to shut down the voices of their fellow Americans.

6 comments :

typical gop tactic, accuse others of doing what you are doing. who was that guy that was standing and yelling continuously? was he a senator? he thought it was his meeting. i think most people attended to hear the senator, not him. also, the seniors that told him to 'go' and be quiet... you think those were democrat plants? really? i could believe it with the union guys, but come on. don't be a clown.
why, if 'regular americans' oppose healthcare, was there only this one younger guy, loaded down with talking points, shooting his mouth off and about 30 people were there trying to listen and quiet him? i doubt the proper town hall format is 'let the fat guy in the back yell over the microphone and try to answer his idiotic 'indian reservation' comments'.
btw, many americans would prefer the reservation healthcare over the no healthcare they have now, right?
capitalism will regulate industry? if that was true, why are we having this problem? how is capitalism going to get poor people insured?? that is so crazy. then harkin explains how 'capitalism' is not the answer, and you draw the conclusion-'lefties are afraid'.
"Harkin continued: "If it is the best way to regulate, then why do we spend more than any other country in the world and why are we 37th in the world in our health status? You know, that's what's happening right now. Insurance companies are overcharging. The pharmaceutical companies are overcharging." answer those, genius. are they not overcharging? are we not under and uninsured? why do drugs made in america more expensive here than in australia or canada or europe? how about answering these questions instead of ignoring reality. 'lefties are afraid'.. of what? majorities in both houses, the biggest presidential win since clinton, a new sc justice... life is good for a lib. you guys are imploding, thanks to your ignorance. you fight education funding and it shows.

Typical Lefty Tactic, tell an outright lie and repeat it often.

There was no guy yelling continuously during the meeting. There were lefties telling their opposition to shut up and go home.

The young man was loaded down with notes from his reading of HR 3200. I have downloaded the bill myself and have made similar notes without the help of anyone and will be asking a question of Congressman Shuler during one of the Tele-Townhalls to get him on the record. What will you do? Copy something from Moveon.org or Media Matters?

Here is a sample list of what I have found so far in my reading of the bill (I'm only about halfway through right now.


Page 22: A mandate for the Government to audit the books of all employers that self insure.
Pg 30: A Government committee that will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
Pg 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!
Pg 50: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 58: Government will have real-time access to an individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts.
Pg 65: Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community organizations like ACORN.
PG 85: The Government will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 95: The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.
PG 85: Specifics of Benefit Levels for AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.
pg 124: No company can sue Government on price fixing and there can be no “judicial review” against Government Monopoly.
Pg 145: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.
Pg 126: Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149: ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8 percent tax on all payroll.
pg 150: Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k that don’t provide public option pay 2-6 percent tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5 percent of income.
Pg 170: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195: Officers & employees of the Healthcare Administration (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
PG 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241: Doctors—doesn’t matter what specialty—will all be paid the same.
PG 253: Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc.—literally, the value of humans.
PG 272: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Pg 317-318: Government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand.
Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 425: Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations for seniors… end-of-life prodding.
Pg 425: Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die.
PG 429: “Advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!
PG 430: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services/Non-profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)
Pg 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

If these were conservative rallies, the "opposition" would either not have been allowed in to begin with, or they would have promptly been removed by the police.

Funny how the conservatives want to be treated like adults when they so rarely act like them. It is possible to ask questions and have debates without screaming, pushing, shoving and other behaviors which most of us generally outgrow with age and maturity . . .

ok scarlet, you lying shill, the living will, pg 425, has been discussed in the news, it is a service available now where people voluntarily meet with their doctor to discuss possible medical futures, including whether to revive and other death-related questions. it is voluntary, which you'd know if you changed from faux news occasionally, since it's been all over the news. what you state here are the already-disproven lies that rush and co have been blabbering about for a month now. go to factcheck.org and see what a liar you are, or is the truth too liberal for you?

plus, there are so many obvious misinterpretations in your half-sentence explanations of these pages... i don't even need to see the actual sentence. you draw poor conclusions from your own facts. you need to go back to school (or is it go to school?) and do some READING COMPREHENSION! or is it just that you love to lie and manipulate other idiot republiklan members like yourself? sigh. you are the problem. big business loving fascists like you are ruining america. your mom must be proud of the way you put industry above humanity.

typical scarlet republiklan tactic- try to accuse others of doing what you are doing. "you libs are elitists. cnn is left-wing, fox is fair and balanced. i'm a tea bagger on medicare and unemployment, but you are the socialist. liberals are liars." it's not liberals making up things, that would be you. the facts and logic, as usual, support liberals, not your party of the super-rich and their ignorant peasant followers.
all i want is coverage for americans, without having to be unemployed/on meth to get it. i'm paying for all of you broken down southern losers anyway, so why wouldn't i want some coverage myself? no, i've got to pay mine and yours, and your parents. check the video of the teabaggers at the town hall in texas! the are calling universal health care 'socialist and communist', then the senator asks the group of old people who is on medicare and medicaid, and they all raise their hands!
hypocracy makes jesus angry. you wouldn't like him when he's angry.